Baptists, the Bible & Women
- Sep 19, 2008 - 14
In the wake of Gov. Sarah Palin’s selection as the Republican vice presidential nominee, there has been considerable “speculation” about why Evangelicals in general, and Southern Baptists in particular, have responded so favorably to her candidacy. As Sally Quinn reasoned in the Washington Post, if Southern Baptists are opposed to a woman being the pastor of a local church, why would they support a woman as vice president? Aren’t they being inconsistent, if not hypocritical?
Now we have David Gushee (a self-identified “moderate evangelical”) discussing the “Palin Predicament,” which he described as “how can the theological vision that women are subservient to men jibe with a Palin vice presidency?” (USA Today, 9/15/08).
As a Southern Baptist, a conservative Evangelical, and a member of both the committee that formulated the Southern Baptists’ confessional statement on “The Family” in 1998 and the committee that revised the denomination’s confession of faith (The Baptist Faith and Message) in 2000, I feel compelled to respond.
First, the Southern Baptist confessional statement does not state that “women are to be subservient to men.” Southern Baptists are clear that men and women “are of equal worth before God, since both are created in God’s image.”
Most Southern Baptists do believe that while husband and wife are equal, that in a marriage the wife is to voluntarily place herself under “the servant leadership of her husband.” They also believe that “While both men and women are gifted for service in the church, the office of pastor is limited to men as qualified by Scripture.”
Why do they believe these things? They believe this is the clear teaching of the New Testament, which they take as authoritative for faith and practice in the home and the church.
In the Apostle Paul’s letter to the Ephesian Christians, he states clearly that husbands are to love their wives with the sacrificial love with which Jesus loved the church and gave Himself for it (Eph. 5:25). This was a radical doctrinal teaching in a first-century world where women had virtually no rights. In fact, one of the most extraordinary things about the New Testament is the prominent role accorded to women in its pages. As stated earlier, the Apostle Paul tells the wife to place herself under her husband’s servant leadership.
Similarly, in the first of his pastoral epistles (how things are to be done in the church) to Timothy, his son in the faith, the Apostle Paul instructs that “a woman is not to usurp authority over the man (1 Tim. 2:12). As have adherents to many other Christian faith traditions, most Southern Baptists have understood this to mean that women are not to be pastors of local churches, since the pastoral office is a position of authority. Consequently, the Baptist Faith and Message declares that “While both men and women are gifted for service in the church, the office of pastor is limited to men as qualified by Scripture.”
For Baptists, who make a strict distinction between the local church congregation and other denominational or parachurch ministries, such a statement would not preclude women “gifted for service” from serving in leadership positions in the denomination as opposed to the local church. For example, the Washington office of the SBC’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission was led for several years by a woman who served ably in that role.
These theological convictions about the limits on women in leadership in the home and the church have nothing to do with women serving in leadership roles in public service. Southern Baptists and other Evangelicals with similar beliefs do not go beyond where they believe the New Testament leads them. And where the New Testament is silent, so are they. They do not extrapolate from biblically dictated spiritual roles in the home and the local congregation to other roles in society.
Consequently, Southern Baptists and similarly inclined Evangelicals have no problem with a woman serving in a leadership role in public policy or business. There is no inconsistency or hypocrisy involved in taking such a position, and there is no belief in any inferiority of women whatsoever.
As far as the right to believe and practice such theological doctrines in their homes and churches (both voluntarily joined institutions), that is guaranteed by the First Amendment’s “free exercise” protections.
And as for David Gushee’s assertion that such beliefs are “archaic,” it should be noted that ancient and archaic are not synonyms. Webster’s defines archaic as “relating to, belonging to, or having the characteristics of an earlier and often more primitive time” and ancient as “having had an existence of many years existing from a long-past date or period” and “of early origin.” To be ancient is not to be “primitive,” or “out of date” — or wrong. You cannot judge the rightness or wrongness of an argument by its age.
Whomever Southern Baptists support in the election is up to them, but they certainly are not restricted by their confessional statements of belief against voting for a female candidate for any public policy position.
If Gushee, Quinn and the other critics actually knew more Southern Baptists and Evangelicals they would understand our ability to treat the pulpit, the home and public office as the different spheres of life the Bible presents each to be. Also, they would know that unlike the dilemma wrongly assumed by them, we thirst for political leadership consistent with our values without regard to gender. In the end, the “predicament” is theirs and not ours.
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1 On Sep 20th, 2008, at 6:48pm, Woodrow Mitchell wrote:
We do need a president and vice-president as men. They are to be our leaders as a part of our state law. Our church laws are to be the lead for our laws. Church and State. Again the Church ways is the way. Our president ought to really be born again, really not just knowing God as a Savior due to Jesus Christ being hung on that cross and died and for sure His shedding the blood to make our sins forgiven and we having Him as our Savior. Head knowledge and heart/soul connection is different. Need new leaders!!!!
2 On Sep 23rd, 2008, at 2:25pm, Ricky Kirk wrote:
I would agree with Dr. Land, however it must be noted there are several ‘male-only leaders’ within the convention who advocate male rulership/headship in ALL areas, in the church and outside the church. Again, I agree with Dr. Land on this issue, but there are many divergent views on women leaders. There are some within the convention who are threatened by any woman that is capable (and even better in some cases) of doing a job well. The scriptural requirements are clear, no woman is to be ordained and ‘pastor’ a church, but there is plenty of room for women leaders within the church, and in the business world as well. Sometimes my biological family embarrasses me to death, and unfortunately, so does my faith family.
3 On Sep 23rd, 2008, at 2:38pm, Paul wrote:
I will pray for your Woodrow. Read Judges 4. Deborah was a judge of Israel, chosen by GOD, and look at Jael (another woman, another important character in God’s will) in the same chapter.
Judges 4:9 “Very well,” Deborah said, “I will go with you. But because of the way you are going about this, the honor will not be yours, for the LORD will hand Sisera over to a woman.” So Deborah went with Barak to Kedesh,
If God is OK with selecting a woman as a country’s leader, who are you to say America cannot have a female VP?
4 On Sep 23rd, 2008, at 4:30pm, Paul de Vries wrote:
Dear Richard:
Your points are well taken. A person can be a leader or an authority in one sphere (such as the Church) without that authority transferring over to another sphere (one’s profession or in an elected civic office). Gov. Palin in highly qualified national civic leadership, even if she is not qualified as a pastor or head elder.
However, you mistakenly apply 1 Timothy 2:12. Women are not allowed to “usurp authority,” as you say, which still allows legitimate authority. Literally Paul only prohibits “tyrannical authority”—leaving other kinds of authority available.
We Southern Baptists look to women and men for Godly leadership. God bless leaders of the Woman’s Missionary Union, often ahead of male leaders. And missionary pioneer Lottie Moon remains a splendid model for everyone.
= Rev. Paul de Vries, PhD, president, NY Divinity School, .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
5 On Sep 24th, 2008, at 8:57am, Charles Enlow wrote:
Mr. Land’s comments are well reasoned and well presented. I would like to add that may women on the mission field serve as “de facto” pastors, in the absence of a qualified man. And the traditional Baptist position on ordination of women is not correct insofar as it applies to the office of deacon. Phoebe, a deaconess of Cenchrae, was doing a good job in the office and Paul said so, urging those in her congregation to recognize that. “Deaconess” is not simply “Mrs. Deacon”. The lady was herself a deacon.
Likewise, women are not to teach men on doctrinal topics in a congregational setting, because that would not accurately portray the Christ/church relationship. But where would we be if women were not allowed to be teachers in any context. The short answer is: up the creek without a paddle.
When men are unavailable or unwilling to preach or teach, then I think “better a woman than nobody”...
6 On Sep 24th, 2008, at 8:35pm, Manny Tomes wrote:
I cringe every time I hear Richard Land or any other proponent of female subjegation repeat their mantra, “the office of pastor is limited to men.” Do your Bible study. How many times does the NT talk about the “office of pastor?” How many times does the word, pastor even show up in the NT. The modern model of pastor as CEO is not biblical. Look at the older versions of the BF&M;. They are much more true to scripture than the modern perversion. Why did the sections on church officers change so radically? Some people left the SBC because they were forced out on trumped up charges of liberalism. Others of us left because we could no longer stomach the self-righteous smugness of the current leaders proclaiming their culturally determined version of biblical truth.
Oh yes, as long is Charles is bringing up Phoebe the deacon, don’t forget about Junia the apostle.
7 On Sep 27th, 2008, at 3:35pm, David wrote:
All of these old arguements are used to attempt to justify what Paul clearly did not intend. Why would Paul say no women as pastor, and then commend someone for being in a role that was not intended for them. The Constitution of the Apostles shows women in deacon roles;true deacon roles: servants to the congregation. These women served in ways that would have been inappropriate for men. I hear the Romans passage being abused. “No Jew nor Greek, male or female”; and yet The clear teaching of that passage is about salvation not church authority. How can you assume that Junia is a woman. My grandchild’s name is Aubry. Can you tell me the child’s gender? When we ignore the clear teaching of scripture and use more obscure passages or situations to justify our personal desire to be like the culture, we are doomed to heresy and leading people astray.
8 On Sep 29th, 2008, at 11:11am, Manny wrote:
David,
First, Paul never said “no women as pastor.” That is an interpretation based on the contemporary concept of what a pastor is combined with other things Paul said about women.
Second, I’m not sure what you are referring to as the “Constitution of the Apostles.” There were a number of documents known by that name. The earliest of them was from the fourth century which is not a particularly good source for describing first century church practices.
Third, the “No Jew nor Greek, male or female, slave nor free” passage is from Galatians not Romans. In order to make that passage refer only to salvation you have to remove it totally from its context. Paul is talking specifically in Galatians about being freed from the old constraints of the law which included considering women as second class citizens of the kingdom.
9 On Oct 10th, 2008, at 10:38am, Rev. Greg Ong wrote:
I believed Dr. Land had endorsed Sarah Palin as the Republican Nominee for Vice President. I am asking Dr. Land to rethink this decision due to Palin’s recent rhetoric in her campaign speeches which is dangerously inciting hatred and could be violence. I hope that he will make a statement to this regard: that Christians are peacemakers and don’t behave like a “warmonger”. Even Sen. McCain who attends a Baptist church should be denounced. As one of the most influential evangelicals in America, your voice is so important in this divided nation.
10 On Oct 10th, 2008, at 1:42pm, Paul wrote:
Rev. Greg Ong, you are going to have to specify Gov. Palin’s dangerous “hatred” speeche rhetoric qualifying her as a “warmonger.” Are you questioning the legitimacy behind alligations? or do you think such allegations whether true or not are inherently hateful?
I would also like to see scripture backing up your qualification of Christians being “peacemakers” instead of proponants of God’s word and the one true Christ. If you remember, Dobson denounced McCain before he was nominated, and recalled that denouncement because of the evil associated with yielding to the other option.
I would like to thank Dr. Land, for not yielding to such false unsubstantiated accusations about Gov. Palin and Sen. McCain. This election is essential, regardless of who McCain or Palin are, the Supreme Court Justices that will be nominated under Obama will yield disastrous effects.
11 On Nov 6th, 2008, at 9:55am, Debra wrote:
It must be confusing for your daughters, when God Calls them to pastoral ministry. In essence I hear you saying to your daughters, “You can be anything you want to be even president of the United States, but you can not be a pastor.” I will pray for your daughters.
12 On Nov 6th, 2008, at 11:03am, Paul wrote:
Debra,
There is quite a difference between being called to the ministry, and pastoring a congregation.
I will pray for your daughters, and you, that the calling you recieve is founded on biblical truth.
With greates humility,
Paul
13 On Nov 7th, 2008, at 11:19am, Manny wrote:
I look forward to the day when Baptist pastors finally acknowledge that their role is derived more from their culture than it is from the Bible. When that day comes perhaps some of them will finally accept that women can be just as gifted and called for pastoral ministry as men.
14 On Nov 8th, 2008, at 9:06pm, Debra wrote:
Dear Paul, I know exactly what it means to be called to the ministry and what it means to pastor a church. I have been doing so for about 30 years. I understand that there are many dimensions and places of expression of ministry. My particular call and that of many other women is to ordained pastoral ministry, i.e. pastoring a church, preaching every Sunday, serving Holy Communion, visiting the sick, counseling the troubled, teaching classes, etc. My call is founded on Biblical truth and sound theology. My biological daughter and the spiritual daughters under my care know that the range and dimensions in which God might call them is unlimited. They know that it is possible that one day they could be the senior pastor of a church or the president of the United States.
Sincerely, Debra