Stand for Marriage

By Kenyn Cureton
May 2, 2006

“Stand for Marriage” is a message intended to help you equip your church family follow the teaching of Jesus by being “salt” and “light” in the cultural arena (Matt. 5:13-16). The Marriage Protection Amendment is scheduled for June 6-7, 2006 in the U.S. Senate; debate has already begun. Ideally, this message would be preached June 4, 2006, Marriage Protection Sunday. Please review these points before you consider adapting this sermon for your use.

  1. Messages like this never fail to offend someone. However, remember what God told the prophet Jeremiah: “Get yourself ready! Stand up and say to them whatever I command you. Do not be terrified by them, or I will terrify you before them.” (Jer. 1:17).
  2. Same-sex “marriage” is a moral issue with political implications. There are some legal dos and don’ts for pastors and churches to maintain a tax-exempt status. Check out ivotevalues.com for details.
  3. You might want to put a “PG rating” on this sermon and encourage parents to decide if their children should hear some of the content discussed. If at all possible, it might be wise to provide childcare during the message. Alternatively, you may choose to edit out some of the more graphic illustrations if youngsters will be in the worship center.
  4. Remember the way to change the world, beginning where you are, is through the Gospel. It is only when a person surrenders his or her life to Jesus and becomes His disciple that the heart and mind will change regarding these issues (Rom. 12:1-2). Equip your people to engage cultural issues from a biblical perspective, and to share their faith and make disciples. Feel free to copy, cut, paste, and prepare your own message as the Lord leads, and then preach the word!

Stand for Marriage

Most of you have seen ABC TV’s Extreme Makeover: Home Edition, where they tear down a house and rebuild it. Unfortunately, there has been another Extreme Makeover happening to the American home. Some are trying to tear down traditional marriage and redefine it.

Bible-believing Christians were shocked as we witnessed the so called “Massachusetts marriages” and “San Francisco ceremonies,” where two men or two women were “married” and kissed one another for the cameras. Homosexual activists have been very effective in promoting their version of extreme makeover of the family. From 1990-2000, the number of homosexual households skyrocketed by more than 400 percent1. The country is only one Supreme Court decision away from legalizing same-sex “marriage” all across America.

How should Christians respond? We need to re-establish the divine pattern for marriage from the Word of God. The Bible establishes a fixed standard of righteousness, a fixed standard of moral absolutes, of right and wrong.

The Divine Pattern

What is the divine pattern, God’s original intention for marriage and the home? Go back to Genesis. For example, Genesis 1:27: “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.” God created Adam and Eve, and not just Adam and Steve. Thank God for the difference between men and women. In fact, the two genders were meant to complete each other physically, emotionally, and in every other way. Also, both genders are needed for a healthy home. As James Dobson notes, “More than ten thousand studies have concluded that kids do best when they are raised by mothers and fathers2.”

In Genesis 2:24, God further declares: “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.” When you come to the teaching of Jesus in the NT, you find that Jesus endorsed this divine pattern. Quoting Genesis, Jesus asked Pharisees in Matt. 19:4: Have you not read that at the beginning, the Creator made them male and female, and said: `For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife and the two will become one flesh?’ So they are no longer two but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let no man separate. In both the OT and NT, one man and one woman in a marriage relationship for life is the divine pattern.

When a marriage follows God’s design, it is good for everyone — men, women, children, the community, the country, and the world. By the way, before taking a public stand for marriage we ought to renew our commitment to live out the biblical principles of marriage in our families. Think about it. Every civilization in history is built upon the institution of marriage. It is the foundation of human social order. The welfare of children, the propagation of the faith, the well-being of society, and the orderliness of civilization are all dependent upon the stability of marriage according to the divine pattern. When this God-given pattern is undermined, the whole superstructure of society becomes unstable. Any deviation from the divine pattern invites disaster. Heterosexuality is the divine pattern.

The Deceptive Perversion

Second, there is a deceptive perversion. What is the deceptive perversion? It is any sexual sin outside of the marriage relationship, but for the purposes of this message I want to focus on one sin in particular: homosexuality. The Word of God, which does not err, is brutally clear. Leviticus 18:22 says: You are not to sleep with a man as with a woman; it is detestable. Leviticus 20:13 says: If a man sleeps with a man as with a woman, they have both committed an abomination. They must be put to death; their blood is on their own hands. Homosexuality is an abomination to God. This is the strongest biblical word for the denunciation of sin, the proof of which is in God’s own version of the Extreme Makeover at Sodom and Gomorrah, which were destroyed in a hail of fire and brimstone (Gen. 19).

Again, why is homosexuality a sin? Because it is open rebellion against the divine pattern, the created order of God. Some say: “Well, that’s Old Testament.” Yet Jesus said in Matthew 5:17-18: Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

While the ritual, sacrificial, and ceremonial laws were effectively rendered obsolete by Christ’s life, death, and resurrection (see Hebrews 8:13), the principles of moral law remain in force. And that moral law calls homosexuality an abomination. In fact, Jesus basically condemned homosexuality by affirming the divine pattern for marriage as between a man and woman in Matthew 19:4 where he references Genesis 1 and 2. When you get into the letters of Paul (Romans 1:18, 26-32; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11; 1 Timothy 1:10), Peter (2 Peter 2:6ff), and Jude (v. 7), there is even more confirmation. Homosexuality is a deceptive perversion.

The Definitive Problem

Third, there is a definitive problem. Homosexuals claim: “We were born this way; it is in our genes; God made us gay.” They cite “gay gene” studies predominantly conducted by homosexuals that have been repudiated by credible research3. Yet these same biased and discredited studies have been widely publicized by the liberal media as true and factual. They essentially practice Joseph Goebel’s Nazi philosophy of propaganda, which is basically this: tell a lie loud enough and long enough and eventually most mindless Americans will believe it4.

Get this straight: God did not make anybody homosexual. The Bible declares that the definitive problem is ours: For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23). We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way… (Isaiah 53:6). Every one of us has a sin nature that twists and perverts God-given desires not only toward homosexuality, but toward all sorts of sexual sin, such as promiscuity, adultery, pedophilia, bestiality, etc. In fact, our sinful nature pulls us down into all manner of evil, not just sexual sin.

Dr. James Dobson says: “I am certain that homosexuality does not result from irresistible genetic influences, as some would have us believe.” Scientifically speaking, there is no gay gene. I do not believe that God would place in your genetic code something that would destroy your immortal soul. Again, it is our sin nature and its perverted and twisted desires that people give into, just as the Bible says in Rom. 1:24-27. That’s the definitive problem.

The Destructive Program

Fourth, there is a destructive program. While homosexuals only represent a fraction of the total population (2.8% of men and 1.4% of women5), many have become very vocal, well organized, well funded, and highly motivated. They have used the political system, the media, movies, and even the schools to “mainstream” their lifestyle choices, and they have been extremely successful in advancing their agenda. Just consider how the attitudes have changed toward homosexuality from the previous generation6.

What are the goals of the radical homosexual agenda? They include universal acceptance of the gay and lesbian lifestyle, gaining special privileges and rights in the laws, “sensitivity training” of our children through public education, silencing critics in the clergy and Christian media, and securing the legal benefits of marriage and parenting for any two people of the same gender.

By all accounts, homosexual activists have been marching from victory to victory in the entertainment arena, the educational arena, and the legal arena in advancing this agenda. Don’t think so? Take a look at the entertainment arena. Does Brokeback Mountain ring a bell? What about Will and Grace and Queer Eye for the Straight Guy? What about “Boy Meets Boy,” a reality show of sorts, which features a gay bachelor who must choose one man among 15 other men to be his partner? What about the new Logo network dedicated to gay friendly programming? What about the MTV music awards where Madonna gave Brittany Spears and Christina Aguilera an open mouth kiss? Then all three, with fists raised in defiance, shouted: “We’re bored with the concept of right and wrong!” Nearly every movie, nearly every television program advances rebellion against the divine pattern found in the word of God.

Take a look at the educational arena. What about books in the public school classroom such as Heather Has Two Mommies and Daddy’s New Roommate? Several years ago, the conservative news magazine National Review laid out a litany of examples of homosexual indoctrination in New England public schools. In one elementary school, a transsexual was invited into a 1st grade class to give details of his operation7. In another elementary school, children were assigned to play gays in a school skit. Two girls were to hold hands and pretend to be lesbians. One boy’s line was: “Its natural to be attracted to the same sex8.” At a required school assembly, an instructor used four-letter words, described the joys of oral and anal sex, and had children participate in licking condoms. Parents were not notified about this in advance9. One 9th grade high school health textbook teaches: “Testing your ability to function sexually and give pleasure to another person may be less threatening in the early teens with people of your own sex…You may come to the conclusion that growing up means rejecting the values of your parents10.”

More recently, a Lexington, Massachusetts school “treated” their second graders to a book entitled King and King, a colorful 29-page children’s book in which a prince searches for a wife, only in the end to choose another prince. The story ends with the two princes “marrying” and living “happily ever after.” On the last page, the princes—now kings—even share a kiss11. This was read to 7-year-olds! And then there are two recent indoctrination films “It’s Elementary” and “That’s a Family,” the latter of which is directed toward 1st through 3rd grade kids, but both of which preach the virtues of homosexuality and the vices of homophobia.

On and on we could go, ad infinitum, ad nauseum; but some might say: “Well that’s some liberal public school districts in some liberal states.” And I’ll grant you that, but it’s just a short step from AIDS awareness, and gay sensitivity training, to some of the extreme indoctrination and recruitment that’s going on in others places. It is like the frog in the kettle. Just turn up the heat a degree at a time, just introduce the homosexual agenda in small doses, and before long, the frog is cooked. Writing in the leading homosexual magazine, The Advocate, lesbian author Patricia Nell Warren, said this: “It is the first fact of civilization, whoever captures the kids owns the future12.”

Take a look at the legal arena. What about the recent Supreme Court ruling that overturned the nation’s remaining sodomy laws? What about the Massachusetts “marriages?” What about the movement to make homosexual marriage legal all across the United States? Even when Americans vote in an effort to defend against the homosexual agenda, the courts step in and overturn the will of the people.

OK, let’s just ask the question: Why not gay “marriage?” What damage could be done by the courts allowing two consenting adults of the same gender to join in a relationship and sanction it as “marriage?” We already know the answer to that question. Take a look at the Scandinavian countries that embraced de-facto gay marriage back in the ‘90s. The vast majority of couples there are choosing to simply live together instead of getting married, figuring that if marriage means anything then marriage means nothing. In Norway, there are reports of upwards of 60-80 percent of firstborn children conceived out of wedlock13. The results of the Scandinavian experiment have been devastating. Do we really want that for America?

Some might, say: “Well as long as I don’t go to the movies, don’t watch TV, don’t send my kids to public schools, and make sure life revolves around the church, my family should be OK.” Listen, homosexual activists won’t stop at recognition, their aim is domination. Speaking of Scandinavia, Swedish Pastor Åke Green was arrested for using God’s Word to preach on the sin of homosexuality14. Hate crimes legislation is being applied to sermons on homosexuality which are being regarded as hate speech. So sodomy has not only come out of the closet and into the classrooms, into the Congress, into the Cabinet, but it is now coming into our churches demanding special recognition and rights.

In fact, Congressman William Danemeyer’s book entitled: Shadow in the Land: Homosexuality in America records the homosexual challenge to the Christians of America from the activist’s perspective: “Now the tide has turned. We have at last come out, and in doing so, we have exposed the mean-spirited nature of Judeo-Christian morality. You have been narrow-minded and self-righteous. But with the help of a growing number of your own membership, we are going to force you to recant everything you have ever believed about homosexuality.” And here are a few changes they are demanding within the church:

“Henceforth homosexuality will be spoken of in your churches and synagogues as an honorable estate; You will also be expected to offer ceremonies that bless our sexual arrangements; You will also instruct your young people in homosexual behavior; If any of your older people object, you will deal with them sternly, and make certain that they renounce their ugly and ignorant homophobia, or suffer public humiliation.” These are the demands of the homosexuals to the church in America. “Finally, we will want to expunge a number of passages from the Scriptures and rewrite others eliminating preferential treatment of marriage and using words that will allow for homosexual interpretations of the Bible describing Bible lovers…”

He concludes: “Warning, if all these things do not come about quickly, we will subject orthodox Jews and Christians to the most sustained hatred and vilification in recent memory. We have captured the liberal establishment, and the liberal press. We have already beaten you on a number of battlefields, and we have the spirit of the age on our side. You have neither the faith nor the strength to fight against us, so you must surrender now15.” End of quote. Let me say this for the record, I’ll surrender when hell freezes over and then I’ll skate on the ice!

But church all of this will come to pass if you continue to keep your mouth shut and sit on your hands. It can happen, it will happen, it is happening! There is a destructive program. We’ve talked about the divine pattern, its devilish perversion, and the definitive problem, but the fourth thing I want you to see is the destructive program, the propaganda and the agenda that is being pushed on our society.

The Determined Plan

Finally, as Christ-followers, we need a determined plan of action. Admittedly, most of us have been bystanders to this point, silently watching these events transpire without any thought to Jesus’ command to be stinging salt and shining light. As Edmund Burke is often quoted: “All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.” It is time for Christ-followers to get involved, lift our voices, and call America to repentance before it is too late. For just as the fire of judgment fell on Sodom and Gomorrah, judgment will fall on America. In light of the Extreme Home Makeover that is taking place, what can we do, what should we do, what must we do?

Here are several action steps we can determine to take:

Action Step 1: Pray for God’s mercy on a nation that is sliding toward Sodom. Pray that God’s Spirit will revive a church that is worldly. Pray that God would be pleased to send a mighty sweeping revival. But I remind you that the promises of 2 Chronicles 7:14 depend on God’s people humbling themselves, seeking the face of God in prayer, and turning from sin to biblical righteousness. But it all begins with prayer.

Remember what Abraham did when God told him that He was about to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah? What did Abraham do? He interceded with God for his nephew Lot and his family. And because of his intercession, judgment was delayed and Lot was delivered. Just as Abraham interceded, we need to plead with God that He might stay His hand of judgment.

And I want to tell you that the future of America does not lie in the hands of the politicians in the Congress, the president in the White House, or the judges in the courthouses, it lies with the people of God who must get on their knees, and pray and seek God’s face. Abraham did something the Sodomite government wasn’t able to do. He got a hold of God. Do you know how to do that? Do you know how to intercede? You can change the destiny of a nation by intercession. In Ezekiel 22:30, God says: “I’m looking for an intercessor, I’m looking for someone who will build up the wall, and stand in the gap on behalf of the land so I won’t not have to destroy it.” But in that day God found no one. Can He count on you? The need of the hour is not just enthusiasm, not just activism, but we must begin with intercession. Step number one: Pray.

Action Step 2: Practice the biblical principles for a healthy marriage as a positive witness. Don’t skip this one. Getting a hearing in the culture depends on our credibility. When the divorce rate among professing Christians is essentially the same as that of the world, we have little credibility with which to call the world to repentance, even if they are trying to redefine the family. Christian marriages ought to be the model for a watching world. So practice the biblical principles for a healthy marriage.

Action Step 3: Perform your God-given role as “salt” and “light” in our “government of the people, by the people, and for the people.” Now some might say: “I don’t think Christians should get involved in politics.” Let me ask you a question: Who created government in the first place? Rom. 13:1-7 tells us plainly and unmistakably that God ordained the institution of government. Since God created government, would He want His people to stay out of it? No. If Christians don’t “render to Caesar” (Matt. 22:21) and don’t function as “salt” and “light” (Matt. 5:13-16) in the arena of government, then we disobey the commands of Christ and allow Satan to prevail by default. So we need to perform our God-given role in the area of government. Here are some specific things Citizen Christians can and should do.

  • Consider support for the Marriage Protection Amendment that will be debated in the Senate during the first week in June with a vote scheduled for June 6 or 7. Some might say, “What about the Defense of Marriage Act already passed by Congress, and what about all the states that have changed their constitutions to forbid gay marriage?” Here’s what’s wrong with that argument. Nebraska voters decided to change their constitution by a 70% majority vote, but the court overturned it. Plus, the Supreme Court could overturn all these state constitutions on the basis of equal protection and due process clauses in the U. S. Constitution16. The Marriage Protection Amendment is the only defense against the quest to redefine marriage by homosexual activists and their allies.
  • Contact your Senators and Representative. Visit http://erlc.com , enter your zip code, and follow the prompts. A phone call, letter, and/or card are more effective than an e-mail. But the point is this: Let them know how you feel about the definition of marriage and the need to protect it. Passing a constitutional amendment is difficult because it requires two-thirds majorities in both houses of the United States Congress and ratification by three-fourths of the state legislatures. As it stands now, the Marriage Protection Amendment does not have the support of two-thirds of the Senate. But you and I can make the difference. Together, Christians all across America can change the outcome. Then we will build momentum for the vote in the House of Representatives in late July.
  • Vote your values. Visit http://ivotevalues.com , follow the easy steps to register to vote, help register your friends, and then prayerfully consider voting for candidates who share your biblical values. Mark those who do not support the Marriage Protection Amendment and remember in November! Vote your values. So step 1 – Pray. Step 2 – Practice biblical principles for a healthy marriage. Step 3 Perform your role as salt and light in your government.

Action Step 4: Proclaim the promise found in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11: Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be deceived: no sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, or swindlers will inherit God’s kingdom. Some of you were like this …. Notice that it is past tense, and what comes next speaks of God’s amazing grace: But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. That is Good News!

Hear me – outside of prayer, the most important thing we can do as believers, and that is proclaim the Good News. Listen, only Jesus can break the strongholds of sin and offer freedom and forgiveness and hope. For when we turn from our sins and turn to Christ, He will change our desires, He will change our passions, and He will change everything about us. Second Corinthians 5:17 says: Therefore if anyone is in Christ, there is a new creation; old things have passed away, and look, new things have come. And that is the promise of God we need to share with everybody, everywhere, regardless of their sin. You can be a new person in Christ Jesus!

So let us live and preach that message! Let us love people out of sinful and destructive lifestyles! Let us stand for God’s plan for marriage!

Dr. Kenyn Cureton has been a pastor for nearly 20 years and a pioneer leader in the values voter movement.

1 Genaro C. Armas “Census … most comprehensive count yet of gays and lesbians,” Associated Press, August 21, 2001.

2 James Dobson, Marriage Under Fire: Why We Must Win This Battle, (Sisters, OR: Multnomah Publishers, 2004), 54 and endnote 49 on p. 120.

3 The media often cites the highly touted and yet fatally flawed and biased studies of Simon LeVay, The Sexual Brain (Cambridge: MIT Press, 1993) and Dean Hamer, The Science of Desire (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1994), which were proven to be bogus by independent studies done by researchers at Yale, MIT, Columbia, Washington University School of Medicine, et al.

4 See the admission of this tactic by homosexual activists Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen, After the Ball: How America Will Conquer its Fear and hatred of Gays in the 90s (New York: Plume/Doubleday, 1989/90), 161 et passim.

5 Statistics based on a survey of 3,432 respondents as found in Robert T. Michael et al, Sex in America: A Definitive Study (New York: Warner Books, 1995), 176.

6 Alissa J. Rubin, “Public More Accepting of Gays, Poll Finds,” Los Angeles Times, June 18, 2000.

7 Michael Chiusano and Isabel Lyman, “Parents’ Rights: Educators have been waging a covert war on parents – who are starting to fight back.” National Review, September 30, 1996.

8 Ibid.

9 Ibid.

10 Ibid.

11 Michael Foust, “Massachusetts 2nd-grade teacher reads class ‘gay marriage’ book; administrator backs her,” Baptist Press April 20, 2006. See the article online at http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=23077.

12 Patricia Nell Warren, “Future Shock”, The Advocate, October 3, 1995, 80, as quoted by Paul E. Rondeau, “Selling Homosexuality to America”, Regent University Law Review, Vol. 14, No. 2, Spring 2002, at p. 470.

13 Stanley Kurtz, “Death of Marriage in Scandinavia,” Boston Globe, March 10, 2004, A23.

14 See the Web site: http://www.akegreen.com.

15 William Danemeyer, Shadow in the Land: Homosexuality in America (San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 1989), 105-107, based on an article titled: “Warning to the Homophobes,” written for the leading homosexual magazine Advocate in 1987 by Steve Warren, a spokesman for the controversial homosexual group ACT UP.

16 Robert Bork, “Stop Courts from Imposing Gay Marriage,” Wall Street Journal August 7, 2001, 14.

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15 Comments

1 On Aug 21, 2007, at 10:03pm, Martin R. Jorgensen wrote:

Thank you for this eye-opening article. I have become numb from the bombardment of homosexual propaganda.
The question of genetic abnormalities is one that is most compelling I think. The key is “abnormalities”. There are genetic abnormalities(e.g. no arms or legs, six fingers or toes, and also some sexual).How should we deal with these abnormalities?
If we aren’t dealing with genetics, there are also studies that show certain brain activity for abnormal psychological behavior. Again, the question remains, “How should we deal with these abnormalities?”
The problem is, getting someone to accept they may have a problem.
We accept people with abnormalities into our society with the understanding that they need to be treated equally. Physical abnormalities are dealt with diferently as mental abnormalities.
As we may accept abnormalities into society, I certainly would not promote them.
We need genuine, un-biased studies to prove what ever will be proven and then fix the problem.

2 On Oct 20, 2007, at 8:10pm, Greg wrote:

Homosexuality, pansexuality, bi-sexuality, and asexuality aren’t abnormalitites, mentally or biologically. Unless of course you mean they are different from you. The Human body is full of variation, that’s why no two people are the same. Abnormality implies a negative variation that leads to disease and disorder. No medical association believes non-heterosexuality to be a disorder or a disease or anything of that sort. Any differences that exist are just a part of normal human variation. Like the fact that I am taller than 97% of men my age. The APA removed homosexuality from its diagnostic manual decades ago and now they even support marriage equality and have concluded that same sex parents are just as capable of raising well adjusted children as heterosexual parents. Some of their studies even suggest that same-sex couples might be better at raising children since the strength of their relationships has survived persecution, prejudice, and bigotry.

3 On Oct 20, 2007, at 8:35pm, Greg wrote:

Pro-gay media doesn’t exist. It just repeats gay stereotypes that aren’t true, yet many Americans believe it. Gay culture wasn’t created by non-heterosexuals, it was created by heterosexual stereotypes.

You are entitled to think homosexuality is wrong. But it isn’t abnormal in terms of science. The medical community does not back you up on this one, I am sorry. As far as your belief in morals. Homosexuality is wrong to you, then fine. But you should also show the morality of acceptance of those that are different and believe differently than you. Be more concerned about your own salvation.

4 On Jun 29, 2008, at 5:40pm, Rick Hudgins Jr. wrote:

First, it is logically unsound to try to connect (as causative rather than correlative) the out-of-wedlock birth rate of Norway (one country) to the de-facto recognition of all the same-sex marriages in Scandinavian countries. You aren’t trying to argue, seriously, that because LGBT people can get married, straight people aren’t, are you? This line of thinking makes absolutely no sense. And the scare tactic of your rhetorical “Do we really want this for America?” makes me sick to my stomach.

Also, the language used in hate crimes legislation authored to date specifically allows clergy to preach against this so-called “abomination” of homosexuality-so don’t try to apply the lack of such qualifying language in European legislation to that of American legislation that has made exceptions for so-called “people of faith.”

5 On Sep 24, 2008, at 10:16am, Rich Chappell wrote:

You state that “The Bible establishes a fixed standard of righteousness, a fixed standard of moral absolutes, of right and wrong.”  If that’s true, we should stone to death any woman who disrespects her husband or an oldest child who is drunk and lazy.  Really!?

You also state “The Word of God, which does not err…”.  This is demonstrably incorrect in several sections of the Bible, but most notably in Matthew 27 and Acts 1.  In one, Judas commits suicide by hanging himself.  In the other, he falls down and his guts spill out.  How can the so-called “word of god” not err if it can’t even get a man’s death straight?

The fact of the matter is this:  I’ve known dozens of gay men and women in my life, and not one of them ever “chose” to be gay.  If you want to claim that God exists, then you must accept the fact that if those people did not choose to be gay then God must have made them gay.

6 On Oct 17, 2008, at 12:28am, David Williams wrote:

I’m standing for mine & my wifes (Tonya) marriage.  Any GODly guidence or encouragement you can give me would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you, in Christ,
David Williams.  425.##.###

7 On Nov 10, 2008, at 5:54pm, Richard Chappell wrote:

I’m happy to hear that you take your marriage seriously and continue to work on it, David, though I fail to see how that relates to same-sex marriages. 

The crux of my opposition to groups like this one is that its members tend to want to force their concept of marriage on everyone else, resulting in the exclusion of non-standard demographic groups like gays.  To me, the idea that two people of the same gender can’t marry is the same as two people with the same hair color or political views not being able to marry.  Until someone can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it’s impossible for two people of the same gender to feel genuine romantic love for each other, I can’t think of a reason why any sane person would oppose same-sex marriage.

BTW, I included some “godly guidance” in my original post in order to show how ridiculous that guidance is in today’s world.

8 On Mar 5, 2009, at 5:54am, Amy wrote:

Without the true Redeemer, Jesus Christ, coming in and cleansing our hearts and minds (when we invite Him and seek His guidance)we as a nation will fall prey to lie upon lie.  I used to believe that homosexuality was normal but where does the line stop?  Is it normal to engage in sex with a child?  Is it normal to have multiple marriage partners?  What if I fall in love with an ape?  Me and my ape husband have rights don’t we?  When we seek to live outside of God’s will, nothing but trouble will result.  The homosexual agenda is very aggresive and very determined but the movement is propaganda based on Hitler’s ‘Big Lie’ technique…if you say a lie loudly and long enough (and prey upon people’s vulnerabilities), people will eventually begin to believe it. I thank God He opened my eyes to the truth.

9 On Mar 6, 2009, at 7:40am, Richard Chappell wrote:

Unfortunately, Amy, your analogies use faulty logic.  Same-sex marriage is not legal in most places, yet some people in those places still want to have sex with children, marry more than one person, and marry animals.  There is no linear progression from same-sex marriage to those things (or to legalizing those things).  Besides, using your logic, we could outlaw anything. 

For example, if people are allowed to keep cats and dogs as household pets, what will stop them from starting wildlife preserves for lions and wolves in their back yards?  We can’t have that, so we’d better outlaw having cats and dogs as household pets.  Right?  These are phantom fears designed to scare people out of logical thought.  You’re not thinking about the actual issue because you’re too busy worrying about unrelated things you think might result from it.  It’s the same smokescreen used to convince people to keep marijuana illegal, or to support the “war on terrorism”.

10 On Mar 10, 2009, at 2:58pm, Amy wrote:

Do we live in purely a logical world?  Your argument would be more valid if this was the case.  But of course we live in a moral world experienced and demonstrated with logical principles. We, as a nation, are making choices based upon our own ideas of truth and consequences. No nation has survived without an extreme amount of corruption when this happens. What is the solid foundation for the moral choices in our country?  It used to be based upon God’s truth.  Now, it’s whatever seems appropriate to the individual. 
Morally speaking, our country is sliding down a slippery slope towards destruction…not because of homosexuals, or pot smokers, or drug addicts…but because we have lost hope.  Our gods have become our own selfish desires and decisions instead of the objective truths of an all-knowing and loving God and Creator.

11 On Mar 10, 2009, at 3:30pm, Amy wrote:

Through God’s blessings, I have learned a lot about the Bible through acquisition of study guides and research papers and have learned quite a bit over the years (also from many other people).  I would be happy to answer any (so called) discrepancies others may find in the Bible…and hopefully comments will be made by people that actually have read the Bible all the way through.

12 On Mar 10, 2009, at 11:51pm, Rick Hudgins, Jr. wrote:

Amy, why should Christians (or people of any specific faith) have the right to base the laws that affect all of us, believers and so-called “non-believers,” alike on tenets almost, if not entirely, derived from their theological tenets?

If the solid foundation is based on “God’s truth,” one, if she or he is honest, must inevitably arrive at the following question: who’s god(s)? Since, thank God we live in such a pluralist society, we cannot rely simply (and certainly not exclusively) on the texts of one’s religious tradition to dictate legislation for the masses.

13 On Mar 12, 2009, at 9:02am, Rich Chappell wrote:

The 1000 char limit is killing me.  Regarding “objective truths” in the Bible…  Do you sacrifice oxen on the altar in church?  Is 50 shekels and marriage to your rapist the best way to treat a rape victim (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)?  Should a widow marry her husband’s brother to produce a male heir (Genesis 38)?  Do people cut off their hands to follow Mark 9:43?  Should a woman even be allowed to try to teach us about God (1 Timothy 2:11-14)?  These are just a few examples of “objective truths” that are ignored because they’re inconsistent with modern society. 

As for discrepancies in the Bible, please explain the two stories of the death of Judas in Matthew 27 and Acts 1.  Who really killed Goliath, David (1 Samuel 17:49) or Elhanan (2 Samuel 21:19)?  Why do we still expect the second coming of Christ when Jesus told his Apostles more than once that it would happen during their lifetimes (Luke 21, Mark 13, Matthew 24… particularly verses 34-35)?

14 On Mar 14, 2009, at 3:58am, Amy wrote:

Regarding Judas’ death, here’s what I found from Answerbag.com
We read the Bible through our Western glasses and we have to remember that the Bible is wrapped up in a culture. Our Western culture says “hanging = rope around the neck.” The Middle Eastern culture is quite different. If someone were to be “hanged” or “hang themself” they would stand on something (i.e. rock, stool, etc.) and leap onto a sharpened steak or spear so the body was quite literally HANGING from the pole. That is why Luke says that Judas’ guts were poured out on the field and thats why Matthew says Judas hanged himself. They are saying the same thing. We just don’t understand that as readers because we fail to unwrap the culture that the Bible comes in. What we need to steer away from is the “Old West” or “Western” backdrop for Judas’ suicide.

15 On Mar 14, 2009, at 4:23am, Amy wrote:

Thank you for helping me do some research…I certainly don’t pretend to know it all.
For the questions pertaining to rape and destruction, check out http://www.gotquestions.org/SAB/SAB-CS-Deuteronomy.html Sorry about that, it’s just too long to give sufficient response.
And for Mr. Hudgins, there are many answers I could give for your question but I will start with this…
I am a sinner saved by grace. Who saved me?  Jesus Christ. Not Budda, not Mohamed, not some pantheistic belief system.  Who is the only Creator?  Who was resurrected?  Who said “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life?”  Yes, the living Jesus Christ.

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