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      	<title>Comment 1</title>
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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Mrs. Dexter in her assessment of the increasingly agressive tactics of secularists.&nbsp; However, I wonder what Christians gain in forcing others, who may not be Christians, and business organizations to keep using the phrase &#8220;Christmas&#8221;.&nbsp; How does this help us in the current war of worldviews?&nbsp; Please understand me.&nbsp; I am not opposed to social/religious activism, but I wonder if we should focus our time and resources on more productive methods.&nbsp; Obviously, when the tactics of athiests and secularists distort the message and meaning of the Gospel and when these tactics seek to indocrinate the next generation, believers must act, and act in very specific ways.&nbsp; However, on this issue of the secularization of Christmas, would we not be better served by intiating a cultural revolution through the sharing of the Gospel?&nbsp; There will come a day when everyone will confess Jesus(Philippians 2:9-11), but until that day, God doesn&#8217;t force anyone to confess Jesus.&nbsp; What do you think?
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:37:08 CST</pubDate>
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      	<title>Comment 2</title>
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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>Everyone talks about not offending other people as an excuse for all the secular, leave Christ out of the holiday. Are we Christians not &#8220;people?&#8221; Are others&#8217;s feelings more important than ours? We are in the condition we are today because Christians stood back and took no stand at all, so others wouldn&#8217;t be offended - Those people have a choice of not participating or joining in. But without Jesus, there would have been no &#8220;winter holiday.&#8221; (Which we realize is a specific date man set - but for lack of knowing an exact date.)
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:11:37 CST</pubDate>
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      	<title>Comment 3</title>
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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>In response to David Williamson:
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i do not fully agree with your comments and am somewhat dismayed.&nbsp; i am just expressing my opinion and not intending to offent Mr. Wiliamson.&nbsp; Just offering my perspective.
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A holiday is what it is: Easter, Thanksgiving, Halloween, etc.&nbsp; The holiday is rooted in the birth of Christ.&nbsp; If someone does not want to celebrate the holiday of Christmas, then i suggest individuals organize another holiday to celebrate.&nbsp; George Kastainka&#8217;s father did just that in an episode of Seinfeld!&nbsp; So i say &#8220;go for it, but leave Christmas alone.&#8221;
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If i as a Christian, travel to India or China or any other nation should i be so offended by the name of a holiday--which is culturally rooted in a specific person or religion--that i no longer call the holiday what it is?&nbsp; And beyond that expect others to remove any images, etc. which represent that holiday.&nbsp; For instance, remove the name or images of &#8220;Buddha&#8221; from that specific holiday.
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:18:58 CST</pubDate>
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      	<title>Comment 4</title>
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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>As the son of a Catholic and a Jew both my parents faced a lot of persecution when they were growing up. I don&#8217;t think religion should be ignored or forbidden, but no religion should be given preference over another. Every religion should be allowed to be discussed openly and should be given equal respect.
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I enjoy the Golden Compass and Narnia both. Actually, my Jewish mother read the Chronicles of Narnia to me when I was little. I come from a family of respect towards all religions and we take criticism for what its worth. For example, I accept the criticism the Golden Compass has for religious authorities but I don&#8217;t accept its criticism of a belief in God. 
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I understand it is natural to feel defensive when your religion is threatened but lets remember that atheists are probably the most persecuted group when it comes to issues of religion. The majority of Americans believe in God and that belief is incredibly strong. Let&#8217;s show atheists the same respect we want them to show us.
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:05:19 CST</pubDate>
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      	<title>Comment 5</title>
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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Greg that Christians should allow adherents of other religions to discuss their beliefs.&nbsp; If Christians are going to find bridges from other worldviews to Christianity, they must be willingly to listen respectfully.&nbsp; However, I not sure that I agree with Greg&#8217;s assertion that &#8220;athiests are probably the most persecuted group when it comes to issues of religion.&#8221;  Upon what evidence is this assertion based?&nbsp; Would not history point to either the Jews or the Christians as the most persecuted?
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David Williamson
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:14:38 CST</pubDate>
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      	<title>Comment 6</title>
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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>Maybe i as a Christian am offended by Halloween and the images of evil which are glamourized and applauded.&nbsp; But the Christian community has not requested the name be changed.&nbsp; They have taken the opportunity to share goodness during this time with Hallelujiah parties and trunk or treats at churches.&nbsp;    
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i personally find it ridiculous that people are offended by &#8220;Christmas.&#8221;  Christians have long been too passive.&nbsp; We are not forcing anyone to become a Christian by wanting Christmas to remain what it has been called for hundreds of years.&nbsp; Our entire language is a mileau of religious terminologies, different cultures, and languages combined.&nbsp; Months, holidays, etc. are named for pagan gods (Easter:&nbsp; Eros, St. Hallows Eve--druid holiday).&nbsp; So should i not also expect the same treatment as the non-Christian. 
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At some point political correctness (or incorrectness from my perspective) has to take a backseat to good old fashioned common sense.
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:18:56 CST</pubDate>
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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>To David, 
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To clarify, my point was about Atheism in modern America. Although I wouldn&#8217;t go so far to say that Jews live without persecution, they live, especially in major urban centers, pretty well connected lives. Even though they are only 2% of the American population they are business leaders, senators, etc. One came a Supreme Court decision away from becoming the Vice President. Concerning CHristians, the majority of Americans believe that the U.S. is a Christian nation. However, let me list the results of a gallup poll. 
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Here are the percentages of people saying they would refuse to vote for &#8220;a generally well-qualified person for president&#8221; on the basis of some characteristic; in parenthesis are the figures for earlier years:
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Catholic: 4% (1937: 30%)
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Black: 5% (1958: 63%, 1987: 21%)
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Jewish: 6% (1937: 47%)
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Baptist: 6%
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Woman: 8%
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Mormon: 17%
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Muslim: 38%
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Gay: 37% (1978: 74%)
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Atheist: 48%
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:04:14 CST</pubDate>
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      	<title>Comment 8</title>
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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>I am not saying Christians need to bend over backwards for political correctness by sacrificing their own beliefs. However, they need to respect the beliefs of those who may believe different, including those who believe that there is no god. You can call it PC or whatever, but its a question of respect and everyone&#8217;s beliefs deserve the same level of respect. 
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Christians are naturally more privileged in America than others religions. They represent every single president of the U.S. They control all levels of government. The Missouri legislature reads a prayer that mentions Jesus, but makes no provision for atheists, Jews, Muslims, or anyone else. Christians, as the privileged have a voice, and like frequently like to use that voice to proclaim their faith. That is fine. But at least be conscious that there are religious minorities, including atheists, that frequently don&#8217;t feel that same empowerment to be able to openly proclaim THEIR faith, without fear of prejudice.
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:11:30 CST</pubDate>
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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>To Greg,
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We are on the same side in many respects, especially on the issue of respecting other religious adherents.&nbsp; I would pose two questions for consideration.&nbsp; First, how are you understanding the term &#8220;persecution&#8221;?&nbsp; I am not sure that I would place the fact that most Americans don&#8217;t feel comfortable electing an avowed athiest on par with the what the Jews encountered in WWII. (Then again maybe I don&#8217;t understand the statistics you have cited.)  I also don&#8217;t think the definition of a term should be confined to the modern era or to the North American continent.&nbsp; Persecution to an American and persecution to someone in Kenya is probably drastically different.
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:46:01 CST</pubDate>
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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>To Greg,
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Second, have you read Dr. Albert Molher&#8217;s commentary entitled &#8220;The New Atheism&#8221;? (See also the related article in Wired Magazine.)  If you haven&#8217;t, I would suggest that you read it, for the current leaders in the American Atheistic movement are not cowering in some dark corner stroking their security blankets and sucking their thumbs.&nbsp; They are going for the jugular.
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:52:10 CST</pubDate>
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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>Well to answer your first question, I was using the word persecute in its basic sense, to oppress. they are an oppressed group and I think that statistic shows the prejudice that Americans have towards atheists. As far as the holocaust and that other stuff you cited, I am not personally in the business of rating or putting value to oppression. I don&#8217;t think racism is worse than homophobia or sexism isn&#8217;t as bad as anti-semitism. I personally think prejudice or persecution is wrong in all its forms. I don&#8217;t rank them.
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If I came across as saying that atheists have it worse period, I misspoke and apologize. My point is that American opinion has evolved to be more accepting, at least on a superficial level, of Jews, gays, African Americans, and Catholics, while Atheists seem to have been left behind.
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 16:48:20 CST</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:21:30 CST</pubDate>
		
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      	<title>Comment 12</title>
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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>And I also don&#8217;t think that a couple of leaders of a group should be allowed to portray the feelings of the whole group. Just because a couple powerful atheist leaders feel comfortable speaking out about something doesn&#8217;t mean all atheists feel that way. (Plus I don&#8217;t think how atheist leaders sometime attack non-atheists for believing God is appropriate either.)
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Because I am not an atheist means I can be elected president. That is a privilege that I don&#8217;t think I deserve. I respect people who believe god exists and I think that same respect should be extended to those who believe god doesn&#8217;t exist. Simple as that.
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:21:30 CST</pubDate>
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