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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>Wow!&nbsp; That is right on!&nbsp; Thanks for the great and enlightening article.&nbsp; I will pass this on to my church family via email.
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:30:46 CST</pubDate>
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      	<title>Comment 2</title>
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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>We must rememebr our forefathers had won their independense from an Empire where Church and State were united. People fled to the NEW WORLD to escape persecution and punishment. Many were martyred for refusing to belong to either the Roman Catholic Church or the Church of England. Some godly men were burnt at the stake for translating the Bible into English. 
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   Although the term Seperation of/ between Church and State does not appear in our Constitution, it is related to our FIRST AMENDMENT and the term simply means, &#8220;The State shall not interfere with the rights of the Church nor shall the State form its own religion.&#8221;  
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  Thomas Jefferson acknowledged our Creator in the Declaration of Independense by claiming all rights are granted by Him. While President, he claimed the BIBLE is one of the two only books necessary in public schools. Congress paid a lot of money to have American Bibles printed in the early years of our nation&#8217;s history.
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:31:27 CST</pubDate>
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      	<title>Comment 3</title>
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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>I support a high wall of separation between church and state&#8212;primarily because it&#8217;s good for the church.
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I strongly feel that a unique heresy of the American church is it&#8217;s adoption of politics in the church. In my observation, this really ramped up after Jerry Falwell used the church to help elect Ronald Reagan.
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To divide the church along liberal vs conservative lines is simply un-biblical.&nbsp; Instead, it&#8217;s an incorporation of American politics in our churches&#8212;which is a clear heresy.
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I&#8217;m a liberal Christian but I would never ever suggest that conservative Christians are somehow less Christian than me. This would be a heretical dividing of the church and break more than  a couple of direct commands of Jesus and Paul.
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Unfortunately, far too many conservatives Christians consider us liberal Christians as either bad Christians or unsaved altogether. (I&#8217;m sure the reverse happens, but I hear it far less) This is a heresy, IMHO.
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:56:58 CST</pubDate>
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      	<title>Comment 4</title>
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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Jefferson&#8217;s personal sentiments are of interest.&nbsp; Our Constitution says that &#8220;Congress shall make no law regarding an &#8216;establishment of religion&#8217; (code in 1789 for a state church - really an officially-recognized national denomination, supported by tax money), or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.&#8221;  It&#8217;s hard to extrapolate sweeping implications from that language, though many have tried.
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  But earlier Jefferson wrote, and the Continental Congress adopted, that people are &#8220;endued by the laws of nature and of nature&#8217;s God with certain unalienable rights...&#8221;  So natural law (Jehovah&#8217;s law) precedes the Constitution.&nbsp; Peter and John got it right when they rhetorically asked the authorities: &#8220;...whether we are to obey God or you?&#8221;
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  So the Constitution is not my go-to authority in matters of Christian behavior, much less Mr. Jefferson&#8217;s private letters.
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:26:16 CST</pubDate>
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      	<title>Comment 5</title>
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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>Charles, the Constitution, as well as all law created by that authority, is supposed to be the go-to authority in all civil matters for all judges and all lawyers.
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Dr. Land is there a Southern Baptist exegesis of political philosophy?&nbsp; Since Jesus said &#8220;all authority in heaven and on earth is given unto me&#8221; it would seem important to get God&#8217;s truth on the matter.&nbsp; I also would expect this exegesis to address other&#8217;s such as Greg Bahnsen&#8217;s <i>Theonomy in Christian Ethics</i>.
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:10:38 CST</pubDate>
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      	<title>Comment 6</title>
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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Rockefeller,
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I&#8217;m not sure what you would require of a &#8220;Southern Baptist exegesis of political philosophy&#8221;, but you may be aware that the most widely-accepted statement of faith among Southern Baptists is the <a href="http://www.sbc.net/bfm/default.asp">The Baptist Faith and Message</a>.&nbsp; The two sections which may specifically apply to your question are <a href="http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp#xv">The Christian and the Social Order</a> and <a href="http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp#xvii">Religious Liberty</a> (available at SBC.net).
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I would certainly encourage anyone interested in this subject to read it for themselves, but for the sake of this thread, I&#8217;ll highlight a brief portion of the <a href="http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp#xvii">statement on Religious Liberty</a> that looks to apply to this particular conversation:
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<blockquote><p>Civil government being ordained of God, it is the duty of Christians to render loyal obedience thereto in all things not contrary to the revealed will of God. <b>The church should not resort to the civil power to carry on its work. The gospel of Christ contemplates spiritual means alone for the pursuit of its ends.</b> The state has no right to impose penalties for religious opinions of any kind. (Emphasis mine)</p></blockquote>
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Additionally, I&#8217;d encourage you to take advantage of the weekly (and public) opportunity to speak with Dr. Land directly during his 3 hour <a href="http://richardlandlive.com">live radio broadcast</a>, every Saturday from 12 noon to 3 pm Eastern (11 am Central). The toll-free number is 1-888-324-8456 (1-888-FAITH-56). In the event you converse with him about this topic on-air, I&#8217;ll post either the transcript of that conversation or an audio link here in this thread. If the program does not air in your area, online listening is <a href="http://richardlandlive.com/live/">available here</a>.
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Thank you for taking the time to participate in our discussion threads at ERLC.com.
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Carry on,
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Matt Hawkins (ERLC Staff)
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:53:34 CST</pubDate>
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      	<title>Comment 7</title>
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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>Too many countries pass laws that prohibit believers from exercising their rights. For example, Rome killed Christians by feeding them to the lions or lighting them on fire as human torches because the martyrs refused to worship Caesar as God. The believers were inspired by the Apostles who chose to obey God rather than man and considered the LORD to be a greater AUTHORITY. Rome fell to Barbarians and Political Corruption but the Church continued to grow. 
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Christians should pay taxes and obey laws that do not  replace GOD. Being a Christian does not eliminate our citizenship or deprive us of our rights. Paul showed this when he protested in Philippi, demanded a fare trial in Jerusalem, and appealed to Caesar in Caesarea. 
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We&#8217;re God&#8217;s ambassadors and share His wonderful Gospel in hope that others will believe in Christ. Galatians chapter 5 presents a wonderful lesson about how we must live under the Lordship of the Holy Spirit by forsaking our sinful nature with its evil deeds.
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:49:33 CST</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:25:14 CST</pubDate>
		
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      	<title>Comment 8</title>
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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not looking to reinvent the wheel.&nbsp; Surely, there must already be something.&nbsp; When you cover this paragraph in some SB seminary civil ethics class what and how are Scriptures applied to back it up?
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The problem I have with the bold text from the BF&M;is that there is an implicit assumption that civil power is not spiritual.&nbsp; This goes against the Scripture of Romans 13 which says the civil servant is God&#8217;s servant to punish the evil doer.&nbsp; The civil servant certainly must know the difference between good and evil in the civil sense.&nbsp; Hebrews chapter 5 says distinguishing good from evil is for the spiritually mature.&nbsp; The whole function of civil power is spiritual.&nbsp; This is what Bahnsen&#8217;s <i>Theonomy</i> goes into.&nbsp; So, what book, reference, or ? do Southern Baptist&#8217;s have?
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:25:14 CST</pubDate>
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