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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Wilkins,
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You imply that you are no longer sexually attracted to men and that Jesus has &#8220;changed&#8221; you or perhaps some would say &#8220;cured&#8221; you. 
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ie..Jesus says “Tim, do what I want you to do and I’ll change you.” 
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Is that in fact the case, that you are changed from homosexual to heterosexual with no more same sex fantasies or attraction?&nbsp; 
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What would you say that Jesus &#8220;told you to do&#8221; that affected that change?&nbsp; 
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Did the change occur in the 10 years of celibacy or only after your marriage?&nbsp; Was it comprehensive and sustainable?&nbsp; In your opinion, will others experience this change if they follow certain instructions?
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Thank you.
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:00:04 CST</pubDate>
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      	<title>Comment 2</title>
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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>Dan (part 1 of 4)
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Same-sex attraction is temptation, not orientation.&nbsp; Orientation is a clinical term the church has mistakenly adopted. We’re not exempt from temptation in this life.
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I do, from time to time, experience attraction to men; however, the attraction has lost its power. Cure is not the right term. Cure implies homosexuality is a medical condition.&nbsp; It&#8217;s spiritual condition.
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Obedience to Bible played pivotal role for me. Forget about homosexuality for moment.&nbsp; Most people pray God would &#8220;DO SOMETHING&#8221; for them and THEN they&#8217;ll obey Him. &#8220;Lord, get me out of this dilemma and then I&#8217;ll trust you/obey your Word.&#8221;
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God calls the shots. We don&#8217;t tell God what to do-the height of audacity. As Creator, we abide by His commands which He gives for our own good &amp; His glory.
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The term converting to heterosexual is an incorrect term.&nbsp; Jesus told us to make disciples not make heterosexuals.&nbsp; (Don&#8217;t take that to mean homosexuality is OK.)
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:47:42 CST</pubDate>
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      	<title>Comment 3</title>
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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>Dan  (Part 2 of 4)
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Let me explain. It’s not a sin to NOT be attracted to the opposite sex. It IS a sin to behave homosexually. The goal for me was not heterosexuality (though for years I thought so)The goal is Christ. As Chambers writes &#8220;Getting into a right relationship with God is the easiest thing in the world, unless it&#8217;s not God you want, but only what He gives.&#8221; Ouch!
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When I determined to know God as the forgiver of my sin, THEN the same sex attractions began to diminish.
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What Jesus told me to do, as you put it, is contained in the Bible.&nbsp; I made the mistake of searching only the passages that address homosexuality when I needed to read/obey the WHOLE Bible.
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:53:28 CST</pubDate>
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      	<title>Comment 4</title>
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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>Dan (part 3 of 4)
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Why did God place a tree in the Garden of Eden &amp; THEN command Adam and Eve to avoid it?&nbsp; We only learn obedience by being tempted to disobey. 
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Great question about when the &#8220;change&#8221; occurred.&nbsp; Marrying a person of the opposite sex hoping that will change them is like force-feeding an anorexic hoping it will clarify her distorted self-image. (Read it a few times to get it.) 
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Marriage is NEVER a remedy for some problem! I can&#8217;t begin to list the emails I get from strugglers who think they must cultivate an attraction to the opposite sex in order to alleviate their same-sex attractions.
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:46:12 CST</pubDate>
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      	<title>Comment 5</title>
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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>Dan (part 4 of 4 
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The 10 years of celibacy-which the Bible calls obedience, is the strugglers&#8217; step in living obediently &amp; God blesses obedience.&nbsp; Chambers writes &#8220;God will tax the last grain of sand &amp; the remotest star to bless us WHEN we obey Him.&#8221;  The blessings of God follow our obedience. 
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You ask &#8220;Will others experience change..?&#8221; Yes! Remember the goal is never anything other than Jesus Christ-to know Him personally. If you use Jesus as a &#8220;means to an end&#8221; in order to get something else, you set yourself up for failure. Christ does not want to be a &#8220;means to an end”. He wants you to focus on Him. He loves you, has a plan/purpose for you. He really does -Dan. 
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Again, when you’re going to be in NC, let me know. I’d love to meet you.
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:36:36 CST</pubDate>
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      	<title>Comment 6</title>
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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Wilkins opens his essay with&#8230;
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&#8220;This is one of my earliest memories. I was five or six years old. I believe I subconsciously decided at that moment: “I will not be like that man!” Thus began my rejection of masculinity.&#8221; ....as if this is somehow a causal event in his sexual development.&nbsp; 
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While it isn&#8217;t directly stated, the implication is there.&nbsp; My father was unavailable so I became gay, we hear that all the time in the anti gay camp, however, what we don&#8217;t so often hear is the situation I find more common&#8230;
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Two brothers raised in the same house with the same parents sharing the same love...one is heterosexual, one is gay.&nbsp; This is the scenario I have seen over and over again in life.&nbsp; 
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If sexual development is nurture based, then why does one boy like girls and one boy like boys, all other environmental factors being equal?&nbsp; 
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Some people are born gay and we are good that way.
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:29:59 CST</pubDate>
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      	<title>Comment 7</title>
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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Wilkins says..."Christ does not want to be a “means to an end”. He wants you to focus on Him. He loves you, has a plan/purpose for you. He really does.&#8221;
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My first question is why would you assume that I don&#8217;t share that opinion?&nbsp; My second question is why do you assume that I am unaware or rejecting or not living out that plan or purpose?&nbsp;  
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It&#8217;s a very loaded statement in the context of the essay you wrote.&nbsp; I don&#8217;t really appreciate the tone of it.
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:24:09 CST</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:43:15 CST</pubDate>
		
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      	<title>Comment 8</title>
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      	<description><![CDATA[<p>This is more of a response to Dan&#8217;s comment, &#8220;Two brothers raised in the same house with the same parents sharing the same love"--one is ... and the other is ...: and you could go on and on about the differences in siblings.
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My identical twin sister and I were raised in as nearly as possible identical situations and shared the same genes. However, we had different temperaments and reacted to similar circumstances in different ways. She was very feminine and I was quite the &#8220;tomboy.&#8221;  Eventually, I became involved in secret lesbian affairs, the last of which ended 24 years ago. My twin sister committed suicide in her early 30&#8217;s.
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When I actually began to open up about my past and deal with my deep-seated anger and rebellion against God and my mother, I began receiving healing from the same-sex attractions and the need for lesbian affairs.
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:43:15 CST</pubDate>
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